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    Say what? users need to tick a consent form before you can use cookies?

    It's true the EU have now Banned the use of cookies until the user agree's for them to be used

    read about it here? http://www.out-law.com/page-10510

    Don't these guys get it? you can only store info in cookies that you've got from other means anyhow, Cookies are a staple of memory over multiple pages? such as staying logged in.....

    I guess we'll have to set our sessions to use $_GET only?

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    Re: Say what? users need to tick a consent form before you can use cookies?

    So every time they visit a website, they'd get about 3 confirmations.

    Some advice to everyone in the EU: install Adblock Plus now. ;)
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    Re: Say what? users need to tick a consent form before you can use cookies?

    I use CookieMonster anyway, so I don't care about cookies too much. They are enabled on sites I know need them, the rest are ignored. What the EU should legislate is browsers being supplied with this by default. However the legislation might bring some good. Most sites nowadays just try to push cookies on you (waste of bandwidth, use of visitor disk space), so cookies for the sake of it should be made opt in. For logging in however, cookies should be allowed, used by default, and not be banned, That would be the one change I suggest: cookies should be allowed as soon as a user starts a log in, or shopping action in a shopping cart.

    AdBlockPlus won't help in any way though, this is a legislative problem affecting website owners, and cookies, and not the blocking of ads.

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    BTW, there is this in the legislation:
    "the user's consent to processing may be expressed by using the appropriate settings of a browser".
    No change at all really: if the user enables cookies, then they signal that they have opted in for cookies. No problem whatsoever
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    Re: Say what? users need to tick a consent form before you can use cookies?

    Cookies however can only store information that the site has already gotten from other methods anyhow, and most sites use them as a session identifier only..... and cookies are a better way to do this than storing the user_id in the url bar......

    Coolies themselves are in way or form a security threat, banning them is a show of ignorance of technology
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    Re: Say what? users need to tick a consent form before you can use cookies?

    Don't understand why they banned cookies. They don't do much besides of course, act as an identifier. One thing is for sure, the advertisers won't be too happy as they use cookies as part of targeted advertising. For the most part, cookies are just simple text files; a name, site address and a string in which identifies you. Cookie cleaners come with every browser, CCleaner, many Security centers and anti-spy programs, and cookies can be blocked easily from being placed on a PC.

    So for anyone affected by this, might as well download Firefox and Adblock Plus for the meantime, or if you're running IE or any other browser, at the very minimum tell the browser to not accept cookies from 3rd parties (which is what everyone should use none the less).

    And of course, as ah-blabla stated, if the user has cookies enabled in their browser, they've accepted cookies. Any user who at least knows how to use Google can figure out how to disable cookies in their browser. Even the IE users, they should be able to find the slider that blocks all cookies
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    Re: Say what? users need to tick a consent form before you can use cookies?

    is cookie that much big deal ? its would be frustrating for me to tick each time.
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    Re: Say what? users need to tick a consent form before you can use cookies?

    Quote Originally Posted by primefalcon View Post
    It's true the EU have now Banned the use of cookies until the user agree's for them to be used

    read about it here? http://www.out-law.com/page-10510

    Don't these guys get it? you can only store info in cookies that you've got from other means anyhow, Cookies are a staple of memory over multiple pages? such as staying logged in.....

    I guess we'll have to set our sessions to use $_GET only?
    I'm in the United States, it doesn't really affect me.

    I guess it's just going to be more annoying for the people who live in Europe.

    I don't use any cookies on my website, so I'm basically entirely unaffected.

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    Re: Say what? users need to tick a consent form before you can use cookies?

    I do use cookies on my website. Of course, that is ONLY if you log into my site or you visit the forum. Of course, with the forum I can set it to use PHP Session ID strings, but that isn't as reliable and search friendly ;). Not to mention, I've had bad experiences with my database corrupting itself from PHP Session IDs.
    Last edited by Smith6612; 11-13-2009 at 11:20 PM.

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    Re: Say what? users need to tick a consent form before you can use cookies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smith6612 View Post
    I do use cookies on my website. Of course, that is ONLY if you log into my site or you visit the forum. Of course, with the forum I can set it to use PHP Session ID strings, but that isn't as reliable and search friendly ;). Not to mention, I've had bad experiences with my database corrupting itself from PHP Session IDs.
    Lol php session ID's still set a cookie, unless of course your sticking the session ID into the url

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    Re: Say what? users need to tick a consent form before you can use cookies?

    Quote Originally Posted by primefalcon View Post
    Lol php session ID's still set a cookie, unless of course your sticking the session ID into the url
    I meant it in terms of URLs. Sorry for not being so clear on that. All forum software I have come across has an alternate PHP Session ID mode should the browser not be accepting cookies or when first writing a cookie to the user's computer. With SMF, I know that I can set up the forum to either use cookies, or to disable cookie support and stick to the PHP session IDs in the URL.

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